TC 7.8 Committee Meeting Minutes - Owning and Operating Costs

ASHRAE Summer Meeting - Kansas City, MO

Monday – June 30, 2003, 2:15 – 4:15 PM, Westin Hotel, Regents (5)

 

 

1. Call to Order, Welcome, Introductions

Chairman Terry Cornell called the meeting to order. All persons present were introduced and the Chair reviewed the agenda.

 

1.       Meeting Attendance

Members and Corresponding Members:

Terry Cornell (Chair), Klas Haglid (Vice-Chair/Secretary), Michaela Martin (Program Chair/Member), Jim Poulos (Research Chair/Member), Alex Sleiman (Membership Chair/Corresponding Member), Kirk Bond (Corresponding Member), John Shonder (Handbook Sub-Committee Chair), Nance Lovvorn (Corresponding Member), Jim W. Earley (Corresponding Member), Matt Mullen (Secretary/Member), Bruce B. Lindsay (Member), Wayne K. Robertson (Member), Gustav Foster (Corresponding Member), Barry Abrahamson (Project Contractor)

 

Not in attendance: Carl Hiller (Member), Bill Thomaston (Handbook Chair/Member),

_      Roll Call/Quorum Check - 8 of 10 voting members present

_      Agenda Review

_      Chicago Meeting Minutes Approval

-      Motioned by Kirk Bond and seconded by Klas Haglid, approved by all.

Chair’s Report (T. Cornell)

_      Announcements: TC/TG Chairs Meeting, etc.

_      New TC number is currently designated as TC 7.8.

-      TC 1.7 goes to TC 7.3.  New TC 1.7 will be  – Business Management and Legal

-      These movements were to help with better groupings

_      After Kansas City the committee office holders and voting members will be as follows:

-      Klas Haglid, Chair/Member

-      Jim Poulos, Vice Chair/Research Subcommittee Chair/Member

-      Matt Mullen, Secretary/Member

-      Michaela Martin, Program Subcommittee Chair/Member

-      Richard Jones, Member

-      Bruce Lindsey, Member

-      Wayne Robertson, Member

-      Wayne Webster, Member

-      Kirk Bond, Standards Subcommittee Chair/Corresponding Member

-      John Shonder, Handbook Subcommittee Chair/Corresponding Member

-      Alex Sleiman, Membership Subcommittee Chair/Corresponding Member

-      Terry Cornell, TC Webmaster/Corresponding Member

_      Regina Staffort contact info:  rstafford@ashrae.org

_      People that are currently rolling off the roster should contact the membership chair to be added to the upcoming membership list after the Anaheim meeting.

_      New membership – Alex Sleiman will make efforts to contact people to increase interest and membership.

_      Send out letter with information about current vision and projects, invite to both meetings. Especially, for research on Sunday, if they are interested for research.


-      Send Letter out to BOMA Chapter in Anaheim, California.

-      Bruce Lindsay will provide list of additional people to invite

-      IFMA

-      APPA Higher Education Facility Officers

-      ASHE

-      BOMA

-      GSA

-      PRSM – Professional retail store maintenance

-      AFE – Assoc. Facility Engineers

-      CTI – Cooling Tower Institute

-      We can do it formally in a subcommittee for membership

-      Alex Slieman – Sub-committee chair

-      Kirk Bond

-      Richard Jones

-      Wayne Robertson

-      Matt Mullen

-    Or provide e-mail to follow up and generate

_      Action Item Review

-      It was noted that the Bus schedule and general service was very poor at the Chicago meeting and did not allow easy access to remote ASHRAE Show points.

-      Future handbooks will be updated every year by CD to keep informationn more current.

-      Special publications – they are looking for suggestions for new special publications, it is currently on ASHRAE Website.

-      CSI Liaison- Construction Specification Inst. – They are revising specifications currently and they should be reviewed

-      We are changing! TC are restructuring technical committees to more effective management groups, we are moving to section 7 – building performance.  This means the chairman will sit at a different seat at the biannual meetings.  TC 1.8 will change to TC 7.8 after Kansas City.

Subcommittee Reports (Meetings held on Sunday, January 26, 2003)

_      Handbook (T. Cornell for W. Thomaston)

-      A motion was made to add an addendum to include a ASHRAE article by Lovvorn & Hiller, 2001 Heat Pump Life Revisited, motioned by Nance Lovvorn and seconded by Klas Haglid.

-      John Shonder to review this change for inclusion in the next ASHRAE Volume

-      Also include in computer CD volumes.

-      Vote 7 out of 7 for this motion, chairman abstaining, Letter to Mark Owens, Handbook Editor at ASHRAE in Atlanta, Need letter as soon as possible.

-      Next Publishing year 2007

-      John Shonder to lead effort on next revision cycle.

-      AHSRAE is going to work to make handbook more relevant.

-      There is going to be an effort to make information more current.

-      E-Book, with annual revisions

-      Handbook Subcommittee as volunteered at this meeting.

-      Matt Mullin

-      John Shonder


-      Wayne Robertson

-      Bill Thomalson

-      Klas Haglid

_      Research (J. Poulos)

-      Research Subcommittee Chairs Meeting

-      Breakfast meeting at 6:30 – two things brought up

-      Broad impact RTARS will have favored status, especially if results are pertinent to  handbook, standards and/or guidelines.

-      RTARS will have shelf life of 3 years.

-      Input in regards to possible for RTAR approval should be sought before submitting RTAR.

-      PMS shall monitor contractor progress and direction, not change their scope or plan

-      No information can be released by the contractor, TC or others before final report is submitted and approved.

-      Research Project 1237-TRP

-      TC 5.5 Air to Air Heat Exchanger wanted to help and provide data base input.

-      Contractor provided presentation on initial data source findings

-      TC approved almost all of contractors findings but expressed concern that majority of buildings identified were Class A properties.  The reason being that Class A properties tend to have CHW systems while a majority of buildings have dx systems. (Addressed in next PMS teleconference with contractor in August 2003.)

-      Contractor was asked to submit an updated schedule (received July 2003)

-      Other research activities

-      Potential Research Projects  (only two items allowed to be submitted per RAS)

1. Effects of Maintenance on HVAC System Energy Costs

-      Focus on Unitary for Healthcare.

2.  Life Cycle Costs of Sustainable HVAC System Design (Possibly get someone to address this)

-      Possible RTAR Choice

3.  Contractual Methodologies Impact on Owning and Operating Costs

4.   “Inactive” Work Statements

-      HVAC Operating Costs (Cornell)

-      HVAC Systems Installed Costs (Watson)

-      Replacement Intervals and Service Life (Watson)

-      Operating and Maintenance Design and Documentation (Webster)

-      Maintenance on unitary equipment and effect on efficiency and life of equipment (Mullen)

-      Talk to Kirk and see if there is possible joint effort with TC 1.7 or TC 7.3

       5.   Extension of existing research project (M. Martin)

-      Focus on Hospitals

-      M. Martin will champion RTAR.

-      Kirk Bond to approach TC 2.8 on possible joint project efforts.

                                Program (M. Martin)

-      Kansas City – June 28-July 2, 2003

-      Seminar 13: “Applications and Components of Life-Cycle Costing” (M. Martin, Chair)

-      Presentation Titles:

-      1.  Introduction to Life-Cycle Cost Analysis, Billy Wise, Southern Company


-      2.  Life-Cycle Cost Analysis of Federal Energy Projects: Financing v. Direct Funding, John Shonder, ORNL

-      3.  Energy-Efficient Federal Purchasing: The Role of Life-Cycle Cost Analysis, Jeff Harris, LBNL

-      3.  Utility Rate Analysis Tools and Techniques, Wayne Roberston, Energy Ace

-      Attendance was about 75, and feedback was very favorable

-      Anaheim – January 24-28,2004

-      Forum: “Research status update and what membership thinks needs to be involved and addressed” (J. Poulos).  Will try to get the following groups involved:

-      International Facilities Management Association (IFMA).

-      Building Owners and Managers Association  (BOMA)

-      American Society of Healthcare Engineering (ASHE)

-      The Association of Higher Education Facilities Officers (APPA)

-      Professional Retail Store Maintenance (PRSM)

Get Web sites, find background on each group and set up liaisons between groups.

-       Seminar, “Changing the Payback Paradigm Using Life Cycle Costs Analysis”

1.    Accounting and Financing Terms: How to understand the Lingo (D. Clamage)

2.       Using More Than Energy in life Cycle Costing Analysis (M. Mullen)

3.       Real Life Experience using Life Cycle Cost as The Basis of Award (M. Weiss)

4.       Examples of Creative Financing Approaches For Facility Improvements (D. Clamage)

-      Nashville – June 26-30, 2004

-      Possible future sustainability or green building presentation.  (M. Martin)

-       Forum: “Servidyne would get input for the project from an open forum”,  (B. Abramson)

-       Session on Financing Projects

Motioned by M. Martin and Seconded by Klas Haglid and voted 7 for 7 with T. Cornell abstaining.

Section Liaison Reports

_      TC 1.7 – Operating and Maintenance Management & TC 1.9 – Electrical Systems (K. Bond)

_      TC 2.8 – Building Environmental Impacts and Sustainability  - (W. Robertson)

_      TC 5.5 – Air to Air Heat Exchange (K. Haglid)

_      TC 6.1 – Hydronic Equipment and Systems & TC 6.2 – District Energy (A. Sleiman)

_      TC 6.8 – Geothermal Heat Pumps (J. Shonder)

_      TC 9.9 – Building Commissioning (J. Poulos)

_      SSPC 90.1 – Energy Efficient Design of New Buildings & SSPC 62.1 Ventilation and Acceptable IAQ in Commercial Buildings (N. Lovvorn)

Old Business

_      Journal Articles

_      ASHRAE Standards Referenced in Codes

_      Technical Bulletins

_      ASHRAE Learning Institute

New Business

_      2003/2004 Roster/Chairs (T. Cornell)

_      Membership Drive (A. Sleiman)

Adjournment


Members and Corresponding Members                            E-mail                                                                    Telephone

Terry Cornell (Chair)                                                        tcornell@gard.com                                            847-698-5689

Klas Haglid (Vice-Chair/Secretary)                            klashaglid@aol.com                                         201-447-1839

Michaela Martin (Program Chair)                               martinma@ornl.gov                                          856-574-8688

Bill Thomaston (Handbook Chair)                              BTHOMAST@ENERGEN.COM                   205-326-8124

Jim Poulos (Research Chair)                                          jimpoulos@bpe-inc.com                                  770-270-0100

Alex Sleiman (Membership Chair)                              alex.sleiman@districenergy.com                  651-297-8955

Nance Lovvorn,                                                                 nlovvorn@charter.net                                      205-980-8737

Matt Mullen                                                                        mullen@uemsi.com                                          860-871-1111

 

Members not in attendance:

Kirk Bond                                                                            kirk.bond@pnl.gov                                           816-587-0322

Carl Hiller                                                                           chiller@davis.com                                             530-758-3035

 

Corresponding Members:

John Shonder                                                                      shonderja@ornl.gov                                         865-574-2015

Gus Foster                           Connective                          gfcllc@comcast.net                                            609-442-0025

Paul Halyard

Wayne Webster

 

Visitors:

Henry Manczyk (Handbook Committee)

Sieglinde Kinne                 Colorado State U.              skinne@engr.colostate.edu                             970-419-8457

Wayne Robertson              Energy Ace                          wayne@energyace.com                                   404-277-1590

Ken Poet                               LSE Eng. Inc.                       kpeet@lse-engineering.com                            502-584-8930

Janice Peterson                   Portland Gen Electric       jancie-peterson@pgn.com                               503-603-1624

RT Jones                               National Engineering      rtjones@nationalengineering.com               614-751-9610