TC 1.8: Owning and Operating Costs

Final Minutes

ASHRAE Annual Meeting

Cincinnati, OH

June 25, 2001

 

 

1. Call to Order, Welcome, Introductions

The meeting was called to order by Chairman Joe Watson. All persons present were introduced and the Chair reviewed the agenda.

 

2.      Meeting Attendance

Members:

Joe Watson (Chair), Terry Cornell (Vice-Chair/Research Chair), Klas Haglid (Program Chair), Bill Thomaston, Wayne Webster, Alex Sleiman, Nance Lovvorn, Carl Hiller

 

Corresponding Members:

Michaela Martin (Secretary), Jim Poulos, Harvey Sachs, Gus Foster, Matt Mullen, JB Singh

 

Visitors:

Bruce Lindsey, Chuck Dale-Derks, Jim Mangini, Rich Jones

 

Quorum Check

8 out of 9 members were present

 

3.      General

The minutes from the Atlanta meeting were approved as submitted.

 

4.      Chairman’s Report (Joe Watson)

 

Chair’s Meeting (Terry Cornell for Joe Watson)

• The TC’s should make seminar information available when requested. ASHRAE encourages the TC’s to place materials on the TC’s website.
• Handbook- HR reference number- Looking for volunteers to convert handbook to electronic documents. There were complaints about the graphics on the pdf files – ASHRAE will address the issue to improve graphics.
• The Learning Institute is interested in ideas for short courses.
• ASHRAE is concerned about the balance of TC’s.  TC 1.8 was the only TC under Section 1 that wasn’t dominated by Academics.  ASHRAE will write thank you letters to employers for technical committee participants, 1000 letters are available. Average ASHRAE member age is 53. Retirees make excellent volunteers.
• Websites – ASHRAE may consider hosting websites.
• Sept. 15 is the next deadline for Work Statements.
• Conflict of interest and research projects – ASHRAE discourages Chairs, Vice Chairs and Secretaries from submitting proposals for research. There are exceptions – when these people are considered to be experts in their fields.

5.  Research subcommittee report (Terry Cornell)

 

Active TC 1.8 Work Statements

The current TC 1.8 work statement is being returned for additional clarification. RAC questions: how will the DB be maintained, why does ORNL need ASHRAE help, research project budget should be reduced ($100K, 125 data points), get a letter from BOMA claiming that they don’t currently do the work. The RAC suggests that we segment the project.

 

Proposed work statements

·        TC 9.9 work statement was voted down. It was submitted without co-sponsorship.

·        Estimated maintenance costs using existing software. The RTAR will be developed by Bruce Lindsey and Jim Poulos.

 

Miscellaneous

·        TAC would like the information in Table 3 broken down by geographic region. Terry told them that we couldn’t do so until we do more research.

·        Matt Mullen’s research effort –

·        ORNL database – is currently being seeded with GHP data. The committee will write a press release on the ORNL database to increase the awareness of the database.

·        The TC would like to send a letter to DOE in support of the work by Oak Ridge. Move, seconded, Vote: 9-0-0.

·        Technical papers from previous TC research will not be published.

 

6.  Handbook  (Bill Thomaston)

 

Bill handed out copies of current handbook version with comments from committee members at the subcommittee meeting. Bill is requesting that we read these comments and submit additional comments by November 1, 2001. All comments regarding the Handbook chapter will be due by then. He will send his re-write out by November 15. Final discussions will take place during the January meeting. Final revisions must be completed in time to submit a final draft to ASHRAE by the 2002 Annual Meeting. October 1, 2001 will be the final date to submit comments to Bill. Bill will revise the chapter based on this input and send it to everyone by November 15. A teleconference will be held on Dec. 3 to discuss the points of contention. Bill will identify participants for the final telecon at that time.

 

7.  Programs  (Klas Haglid)

 

Cincinnati Program

Michaela will moderate a forum at the Cincinnati meeting introducing the database.

 

Future Programs:

• Atlantic City: Methods for Estimating Maintenance Costs, Forum, Bruce Lindsey, Priority 1, vote: 8-0-0
• Atlantic City: Simulated Data vs. Measured Data for O&M Costs, What Do You Want?, Forum, Klas Haglid, Priority 2, vote: 8-0-0
• Honolulu: Seminar on FEMP Life-Cycle Costs

8.  Section Liaison Reports

 

• TC 1.5, Wayne Webster – Acquisition of data for web-based applications. Bottom-line: although it’s nice, it’s still difficult.
• TC 6.1/6.2, Alex Sleiman– President of International District Energy Association talked about energy policies and legislation for tax credits and infrastructure improvements.
• Std 90.1, Nance Lovvorn– One of the most current things is a DOE presentation on Oct 30 from 12 to 4:15 EST on 90.1. A discussion of the issues will be held. It will be broadcast via satellite. There are many addenda to 90.1. One of the more interesting parts has to do with multi-family structures: the leader of multi-family group recommends that all multi-family projects refer to 90.1 instead of 90.2. The discussion got messy from there.
• Section 1 Committee Head Mark Modera – Mark presented Joe Watson with an ASHRAE award in appreciation of his service to TC 1.8. 

 

9. Old Business

 

Handbook Demonstration CD

Terry reviewed it and his only comment was on the pdf format. It is difficult to read the pdf electronically and special software must be installed to read it. There were some other formatting issues that Terry disliked. There is a form on the CD-ROM that may be used to send comments on the interactive CD to ASHRAE.

 

Keyword Update for Handbook Chapter

Bill didn’t have many changes for keywords. He will resend the changes to the committee for additional comments, within the next month. Joe is encouraging additional keywords.

 

TC Correspondence

• Regarding the letter from Taylor Systems engineering for Sacramento Housing Authority: Carl tried to contact Randall Calvert with Taylor Systems, as well as someone from SHA, and was unable to get a response.
• Regarding the letter from Bruce Hunn requesting that we add geographic weighting factors to Table 3: Carl did not respond and Mark Modera said that further discussions should include Terry Cornell.

 

Miscellaneous

Joe is encouraging the committee to share anecdotal information with Carl Hiller. He will combine it into a Journal Article. Bruce would like a formal request from the TC for this information – with a formal request he could get support from Comfort Systems. Motion to draft a letter requesting anecdotal information of the impact of various factors on maintenance and service life. Matt Mullen will modify the contents of the letter as a letter to the editor. Carl encourages photos. This should be coordinated with Paul.

 

 

10. New Business

 

Membership

Joe will be taking some time off and will not be attending meetings in the future. Wayne Webster will be a corresponding member and will continue to attend the meetings.

 

11. Meeting Adjourned